WTS/WTT Close please.

[7.62]

Thought I’d offer this up locally. It’s a Pioneer PL-61 manual turntable. Sound is subjective but this one is pretty damn good. Rates very high and is all original, Beautiful looker to boot.

I’m asking $350 to a NS Member or trade value of $500. I sold one a few years ago for $485 + $170 shipping to Sweden. Right now on the auction site there’s one for $500+ and another for $700+ dollars. In Japan they fetch $1300 And up. Since eBay didn’t close my account as requested this will go there if I get no respons.

Trades I’m open to, any beat up glocks like 19,17,22,21 or M&P 380, Taurus 9 mm like the Beretta 92. AR Stuff, lowers, A3 upper, pistol builds, etc,etc.

If you enjoy spinning vinyl I really don’t need to say much. It does have nicks, scratches etc and needs to be properly setup. Has. Brand new AT cartridge.

Better pics in the morning. I’m in North Las Vegas. Table is ready to audition. I’m cross listing this, will delete when first bid flys. Thanks for looking and glad to see your guys passion for the music.

Close it up, going to sell on the auction site.

 

[bigx5murf]

I'm curious if there are many vinyl enthusiasts here. Nice TT, sorry I'm not in the market, already got 3 set up currently. Bump for you.

 

[Mojo]

Haven't had a turntable for about 25 years but still have about 125 albums from the 70's and 80's.

 

[4x4Brit]

If this was earlier in the year when I was shopping for a table, I would have bit your hand off! These have quite a following and yours looks in great condition. When I refreshed the new posts page on this site I did a double take. Thought I had one of my audio tabs open GLWS!

 

[soundguy1]

I have a few thousand albums and a very nice HK turntable

It only took CD's 20 years to catch up to the sound quality of vinyl and the newly recorded music that is available on CD and also released on vinyl sounds better on vinyl!

 

[bigx5murf]

I have a few thousand albums and a very nice HK turntable

It only took CD's 20 years to catch up to the sound quality of vinyl and the newly recorded music that is available on CD and also released on vinyl sounds better on vinyl!

This is highly unlikely, as modern vinyl releases more often than not are made from the same digital backups as CDs. It's very possible some original vinyl copies are better than modern ones, as they're made from original master tapes, and those tapes have degraded due to age. Also there was a fire a couple years ago that destroyed many original master tapes.

https://www.spin.com/2019/06/universal-fire-masters-recordings-lost/

 

[MAC702]

Well, "sound quality" is subjective. Some prefer the imperfections of non-digital media, and it's quite okay for them to say it's better. I can hear the difference, and certain songs sound better from certain media. Nostalgia is a legitimate factor.

 

[soundguy1]

This is highly unlikely, as modern vinyl releases more often than not are made from the same digital backups as CDs. It's very possible some original vinyl copies are better than modern ones, as they're made from original master tapes, and those tapes have degraded due to age. Also there was a fire a couple years ago that destroyed many original master tapes.

https://www.spin.com/2019/06/universal-fire-masters-recordings-lost/

You would be quite surprised to know a good number of professional recording studios still use analogue tape machines to record as well as digital at the same time. Most of the smaller studios only use digital recording.

The mastering (mixing) method for digital verse vinyl is different if you do it the right way. Your digital CD release is mastered for the limitations of the CD format, the vinyl mastering is different than mastering for a CD.

If you release vinyl from a mastered for digital CD recording then yes you are correct, the vinyl result is not as good as it could be, but if you recorded and mastered for vinyl the end result is superior in sound to a CD.

The early CD releases of material that was mastered for vinyl sound like crap. The early digital recordings that were released on vinyl sound like crap. Once people like Frank Zappa and Neil Young pushed the recording processes for the "new" digital recordings the differences between the 2 formats narrowed but anyone with a "hi-fi" stereo can easily hear the difference.

There are very few real "hi-fi" stereo manufacturers anymore and as large as Las Vegas is there is only one place in Vegas that sells real "hi-fi" stereo components. Best-Buy and the rest of the box stores all sell crap.

There is a saying "you're grown up when you stop buying new music". I have worked in the sound/entertainment business my entire life and I still buy new music. There is not a single piece of my stereo systems that you would find in a place like Best-Buy etc. People who have been to my place all have the same reaction when listening to music, "where are the other speakers?". Nope only 2 that give very 3-dimensional sound.

Enough of my rant

 

[LVNEONCOWBOY2112]

Very nice,
Long live the old stuff

 

[7.62]

Ok, I’m going to step in and call BS on Best Buy being the only place to buy hi-fi gear. There are a few other places in town my favorite in particular is Audio Expert, especially for vintage stereo components, If you’ve never been treat yourself to a trip down, also if you buy or not your supporting a great local business.

 

[soundguy1]

Ok, I’m going to step in and call BS on Best Buy being the only place to buy hi-fi gear. There are a few other places in town my favorite in particular is Audio Expert, especially for vintage stereo components, If you’ve never been treat yourself to a trip down, also if you buy or not your supporting a great local business.

I wrote that Best Buy only sold crap And yes Audio Expert is the ONLY place in Vegas that sells (and repairs) real Hi-Fi gear. Anyone who loves listening to music owes it to themselves to get in and squeeze through all the gear they have in their shop on Charleston/Eastern next to MTC. Just note they are only open Monday thru Friday!

 

[bigx5murf]

The mastering (mixing) method for digital verse vinyl is different if you do it the right way. Your digital CD release is mastered for the limitations of the CD format, the vinyl mastering is different than mastering for a CD.

Vinyl and CD are both mastered to their respective limitations, and CD in theory has significantly higher limitations than vinyl. The biggest issue is, in the 90s CDs began to be mastered for loudness, at the expense of compressed dynamic range, and that practice only got worst over time. This practice pretty much negated the largest advantage CDs had over vinyl, significantly higher dynamic range limitations.

You're also ignoring the fact that tapes degrade with time regardless of formulations and storage conditions. So making modern vinyl from them will require digital editing, that's assuming they're still in usable condition.

 

[soundguy1]

My argument wasn't about using old tapes making re-releases for CD's.

It was about new/current analogue recording on tape being superior in sound quality going to vinyl issue verse digital recording for release to CD format issue.

It wasn't until digital got to 96kHz and 192kHz capable that they APPROACHED analogue recording quality. And that works okay on the recording side, but not so great on the "listening" side.

As for degradation the 1st generation of CD's released have already exhibited problems with stability retaining the digital info on them. I've got a few CD's produced in the late 1980's early 1990's that "skip" and some won't play at all anymore and there is nothing physically wrong with the CD surface. Hard drives crash and get corrupted so if that is where your track recordings and "master" was it can be gone just as easily.

You are absolutely right about the amount of compression used on digital recordings/mastering, it's horrid. And it sprung from the fact that 0's and 1's don't capture accurately the depth/warmth/tone of a proper analogue recording. Compression makes things sound fuller normally when not used to excess.

I own the a lot of the same mics used in recording studios, Neumann's, Earthworks, AKG etc ( I use them for live sound) and I have several of the same reference monitors for my home & office stereos that dominated recording studios over the years, JBL 4310's, 4312C's, Yamaha NS-10's etc. I love listening to music and I've been lucky enough to tour and do festivals etc. and be able to make bands sound like you hear them on their recordings/radio as my job.

 

[LVNEONCOWBOY2112]

yes AE great old school shop

 

[7.62]

Gd in FS add, anyone want to make an offer before it goes to eBay.

 

[Koyote]

Hope you get to sell your turntable.
Because I mentioned to a co-worker who was trying to empty out his garage, he gave me a Magnavox 8-Track, AM/FM Receiver with a turntable. I hook it up to my Bose for speakers.
I still have a dozen 45's (no not firearms), 78's (some RCA Victor so old, they only say Victor and it is not a dog listening to a Victrola, but a puppy, on the label) and LP's. I only have one 8-Track cartridge, something by Santana, which I bought to see if it would work.
Sorry 7.62, if I get off track (no pun intended), as others have done, but I still have a Radio Shack portable cassette recorder, I used to record my classes at the Uni.
Finally, I still have a Roberts 770X reel-to-reel tape recorder, which in the 60's was the ultimate in Stereo equipment. My wife bought it for me for only $75, originally cost $500. As for the tapes...I was told they would only last 20 years, but I put them in plastic Zip-Loc bags and at one time they just sat in a cabinet for 20 yrs. without being played. To this day, they still play like the day I recorded them.
Good luck with your turntable, looks like a nice one!