Hand Held Radio comparison... not "sad ham" friendly




Golgo13

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Here is a quick snapshot of handhelds I have worked with recently and my impromptu thoughts for the everyday concerned citizen...

Of course some of the features discussed would violate FCC rules. Consider these features for SHTF use only of course.

What am I missing here?

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Wouxun KG-UV9xx

Pros:
- Wide receiving
- Full Duplex! (satcom friendly)
- Crossband repeater!
- Software TX expansion
- Superheterodyne receivers
- 1-10 Watt output for some models
- Easy to program on radio or PC

Cons:
- Analog Only
- color screens are bright at night and washed out by sun during daylight
- Noise/Light discipline issues
- Some radios are region locked and can be expanded
- customer support is lacking unless you buy a rebranded USA based one

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Motorola HT series
Pros:
- Rugged/ Proven
- Single band receiver w/ good filtering
- Loud Audio
- Easy operation for grunt users
- Lots of Aftermarket refurb parts

Cons:
- Need PC to program unless you have special cable
- Analog only
- Single band receiver
- Proprietary Antenna jack(can swap BNC adapter though)
- Limited channel banks/Zones
- NiMH batteries suck(Lithium available)
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EF Johnsons

Pros:
- Fairly cheap to buy, at least at the moment
- P25
- Multiple encryption Types
- Multiple Bands available
- Programming Software easy to source
- Motorola compatibility

Cons:
- Huge and heavy(especially with NiMH chemistry battery)
- Louds tones and lights(but can be turned off)
- Multiple board internal design utilizes a lot of spring terminals and grounds
- Diminishing aftermarket support
- Keyloader needed for encryption(KFDTool and KFD shield are cheaper options)
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Motorola XPR Series
Pros:
- DMR Tier 1 & 2
- Fairly inexpensive
- Lots of aftermarket refurb parts
- Programming Software easy to source and now Motorola Solutions will even support
- Multiple Encryption Types
- No Keyloader needed

Cons:
- Proprietary Antenna Jack
- Older models don't have AES256
- Mic gain is finicky
- Some models are limited zones/channel memories
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Motorola XTS
Pros:
- P25
- AES256 capable
- Mil/Surp models available
- FPP Capable
- Rugged/ Proven
- simple disassembly
- Many refurb parts available
- 3d Print community parts available

Cons:
- Simple PCB design limits option boards, and complicates component replacement in some instances
- Big when compared to some DMR options
- Newer Models are pricey esp APX
- Keyloader needed(KFDTool and KFD shield are cheaper options)
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Anytone DMR

Pros:
- Full DMR capabilities
- Tons of channel/Zone memory
- APRS(not very functional though)
- Supports multiple radio IDs
- Can be software unlocked for 70cm, 1.25m and 2m bands!
- Compact when compared to some designs
- AES256 compatible with some Motorolas
- GPS on board
- Loud Audio
- Bluetooth models available
- excellent battery life
- Many Aftermarket items

Cons:
- Not rugged(battery mount especially)
- Never ending CPS and firmware updates
- APRS function is horrendous
- GPS antenna is weak and takes time to get a fix
- Noise/Light discipline issues and BT vulnerability
 

Golgo13

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Sh!t Tier Chinesium

Pros:
- Very cheap
- Tons of accessories available
- Easy to program on unit or PC
- Generally easy to expand TX freq
- Throw away applications

Cons:
- Not rugged
- Noise/Light discipline issues
- Dirty SOC design
- Very weak front ends

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Yaesu C4FM/YSF Radios

Pros:
- C4FM digital
- Touch screen
- Full APRS function
- GPS w/ navigation aids
- IPX7 rated
- GM function for small teams
- Camera Microphone can take/send photos
- Very wide RX capability and easy hardware TX expansion
* even AM reception on CB and 10M band
- Tons of accessories and support
- Tons of memories and banks
- on board recording and MicroSD
- multiple field charging options

Cons:

- Some U/I quirks
- No encryption
- Touchscreen complicates field use
- higher price for an Amateur market option

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Yaesu FT-60r

Pros:
- Dual conversion Superheterodyne receiver
- Wide RX capabilities
- Physical knobs for vol/squelch/chan
- ARTS and Emergency foxhunt modes
- Tons of memories and banks
- Very highly regarded performance

Cons:
- NiMH batteries(aftermarket Lithium available)
- Aging design
- No official ingress protection rating
- Heavy for it's size
- Single VFO display

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Cotre DMR

Pros:
- Tier 2 DMR(seriously, txt msg, remote kill/monitor, all of it)
- Cheap AF!
- supposedly IP67?
- "AES" encryption?? (8 character hexadecimal)
- Software unlockable 1-999MHz ! (not sure if transmit would damage radio though)
- Easy to program and use
- Mostly compatible with Gocom
- Decent build quality as far as I can tell
- If you want to dip into DMR, here you go

Cons:
- Limited Zones and channels
- Not proven
- limited supply available it seems.
 

nikk

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Wow! That's a very impressive post there.

I am looking for a radio similar to the FT-60R but with a dual band display.
It should have a full key pad, 3-knobs (volume, squelch, channel) and a dual band display.
Do you know of one? I don't think this exists.
 

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Wow! That's a very impressive post there.

I am looking for a radio similar to the FT-60R but with a dual band display.
It should have a full key pad, 3-knobs (volume, squelch, channel) and a dual band display.
Do you know of one? I don't think this exists.
Well, not in a brand-new radio it doesn't, but you can find a good used Yaesu VX7 and have almost all those things.
I have three, they are great radios, very tough, very reliable.
They are true dual band / dual receive, dual display, full keypad, but only two knobs, volume and channel, squelch is an easily accessible menu item.
Currently running about $300 on the used market.
 

Golgo13

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Wow! That's a very impressive post there.

I am looking for a radio similar to the FT-60R but with a dual band display.
It should have a full key pad, 3-knobs (volume, squelch, channel) and a dual band display.
Do you know of one? I don't think this exists.
Wow! That's a very impressive post there.

I am looking for a radio similar to the FT-60R but with a dual band display.
It should have a full key pad, 3-knobs (volume, squelch, channel) and a dual band display.
Do you know of one? I don't think this exists.
I'm not sure about that one, but I lost the value in a physical squelch knob, in fact, I 3D printed a smaller one for my FT-60R because it actually is too easy to engage.
I would not hear any traffic for a while only to realize the squelch had been bumped up too much.
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nikk

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I'm not sure about that one, but I lost the value in a physical squelch knob, in fact, I 3D printed a smaller one for my FT-60R because it actually is too easy to engage.
I would not hear any traffic for a while only to realize the squelch had been bumped up too much.
That's a very clever solution for your problem. Congrats.