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"ammo shortage"







#1
More than 20 pages of tens to hundreds of thousands of rounds of 9mm going for 500-1000% market price. Not saying there isn't an increase of demand.

Just wondering how many industry insiders are diverting supply from fair market storefronts like Cabelas/Bass Pro/SWH/BiMart/etc (where prices are capped) and selling online basically gouging. Haven't seen Bass Pro or Sportsman with stock for such a long time but everywhere else (where there isn't a price cap), have seen stock come in and out.

Sometimes I hate the gun industry. /rant off


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pick_six

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I’ve read a few articles about the last shortage. It said the ammo companies geared up and produced. Around the ‘16 election, figuring that president clinton would go into full attack mode.

More production. More staff.

Well, when things didn’t work out, aka president trump, they had a lot of inventory, the scare died down, and they were left holding a lot of stock, selling for less, making less profit.

Reduce production and staffing.

Some places have posted that makers don’t want to have that happen again.

Now, crazy demand. Maybe in prep for coming events.

Some folks are now posting limited supplies of components. Not sure if that’s correct. I saw that on another site, and in regard to bird shot, also used for clays, etc. not Just more aggressive things like slugs or buck, etc.

(Put on tin foil hat now)
I am thinking that there is influence of .gov from both sides, worried about possible civil unrest, to get companies to reduce production or availability of product.

Figuring that folks on both sides of the riot / law / civil unrest thing will explode, literally and figuratively.

This part is just my opinion.
(Tin foil hat off)
 

RobF

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#6
Same thing happened with 22lr a few years ago. Guys buying up all the store stock as soon as it is put out creating the appearance of a shortage.

I have not purchased any ammo since the beginning of the year. I'm well stocked. But I started hearing about the "shortage", so I looked on gunbroker for "9mm", and saw that same picture that seacow posted. Plenty of stock. But my jaw hit the floor! HP 9mm going for close to a dollar a round! Those are auction prices, so that's what people are willing to pay.

The reality is if you have a few hundred rounds, you have way more than you could need. If you are exchanging rounds, it's going to be a few, not hundreds.
 

Janizary

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#7
I've been selling a few random lots of ammo on AL (to fund another project, of course) that I don't generally use for 'range and train' purposes any longer (typically because I'm either reloading that caliber now, or I shoot something that the platform 'likes' better from an accuracy standpoint).

Interesting mix of buyers with about 50% being 'new' gun owners, or at least 'new' to MSRs or SA pistols. At least from the ones that wanted to talk :)
 

johnthomas

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#12
So many more new gun owners now. Who would have thought you would get sticker shock while shopping for ammo?
 

snubbyfan

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#13
A friend of mine has accumulated 10,000 rounds of .556 for his AR.....and he rarely shoots. He lives in L.A. and says he's prepared if the bell rings.
 

Ka Lbo

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Figure in Covid, riots, defund the police fools, and the "thought" of Joe-N-hoe, = the perfect storm to spin up ammo sales. As well as guns.

Nothing more than "supply and demand". Increased prices, to be expected.

Have not researched, but I'd bet, ammo manufactures are maximizing production. Producing at the limits of equipment. Manpower can be brought on and let go. Pay employees well, with transparency, no problems. Logistics are not an issue. Material, I would thnk not and issue. Manufactures are not going to sh!t on regular customers - Scheels, Cabella's, Bass Pro, Sportsmans, Brownell's, PSA, Mom & Pop gun stores. Not for supporting Gun Broker like sales. Not gonna happen.
^^^ Why would one think all of this? Capitalism.
 

Janizary

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Have not researched, but I'd bet, ammo manufactures are maximizing production. Producing at the limits of equipment. .
Pick_Six posted a few days back posting that that may not be what they are doing. They they got burned after the 2016 election and don't want to be sitting on piles of goods. I found a supporting Forbes article to that same effect, but nothing else in a short search.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aarons...ers-aim-not-to-get-burned-again/#7306fbc44382

Not sure which is right, but its plausible, I suppose. Particularly if some are betting on a Jo/Ho win and ban(g) fest.
 

Ka Lbo

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Pick_Six posted a few days back posting that that may not be what they are doing. They they got burned after the 2016 election and don't want to be sitting on piles of goods. I found a supporting Forbes article to that same effect, but nothing else in a short search.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aarons...ers-aim-not-to-get-burned-again/#7306fbc44382
Saw the post. Have not read the article. Assuming the comments on the surface are accurate. Ammo manufactures learned a lesson in 2016.
- hildbeast lost and President Trump won. Demand fizzled.
- IMO, it can all be managed.

Smacks of management 101...ride the wave. See the wave crest and draw down...
- President Trump wins reelection, drawdown manufacturing. Drawdown temp employees. Adjust orders for manufacting material. Tweak scheduled logistics.
- IF Joe-N-Hoe win, demand continues and if it is possible, demand increases.

100%, Ammo manufactures would be stoopid. In fact, negligent, IF they are a publicly held company, to NOT ramp up ammo production.
- Limiting factor is manufacturing equipment. Raw material probably manageable. Employees and logistics should be simple.

Really quite simple, the beauty of capitalism in action.
 
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