"Stand your ground" trial in Houston - Page 3

glocker · 06-14-2012, 12:32 PM

He got what he deserved

MAC702 · 06-14-2012, 02:17 PM

I wonder how many liberal news reporters have been trolling gun sites looking to find gun owners defending this guy, only to find out that we all think he is scum, too.

glocker · 06-14-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC702

I wonder how many liberal news reporters have been trolling gun sites looking to find gun owners defending this guy, only to find out that we all think he is scum, too.

If they did then we'd never hear about it. Haha.

ElevenBravo · 06-14-2012, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAC702

I wonder how many liberal news reporters have been trolling gun sites looking to find gun owners defending this guy, only to find out that we all think he is scum, too.

Article from the Houston Chronicle sort of confirmed my suspicion. It said that he was parroting buzzphrases he learned at a CCW class. if anything, whoever taught that class should be brought up on charges too.

rat907 · 06-15-2012, 03:14 PM

So this guy has a beef and calls the cops, good move. I'm sure there's some sort of noise ordinance law for loud music during certain hours, most places I lived has it.

Going to the party with gun drawn, bad move. reguardess if he was that scared of the party goers or not, he should have stayed home and let the local L.E.O.s do their job. Noise complaints in the middle of the night is no exception to this and I am sure others called in too.

I had a similar experience with a guys cruising the neighborhood casing homes for burglary. The scout was blaring his car stereo as they crawled street by street looking over the homes. I had to work early the next morning and didn't appreciate the early wake up @ one thirty am. I got in my car and cruised around trying to pin point them by the music with my lights off. I found them a couple blocks down, hit them with high beams and chased them out of the subdivision and down the road some cursing and shaking my fist at them. A little while later they returned in force (5 people & 3 cars). Thank god they all were chicken****s, I managed to bluff them away when they encircled me and my back was to my car. Anytime one of them would advance, I would move their way and they retreated, even the guy that got a 2X4 out the back of his truck. They left, I was unharmed (luckily) and the next night a home (not mine) was broke into.

Not reading the actual linked story and going off the starter thread, this guy made one god choice followed by two bad ones in that order. He among others that don't get firearms responsibilities and the burden of choices blackens the eyes of all gun owners.

Smart Oz · 06-27-2012, 09:48 PM

--Update--

Texas ‘stand your ground’ shooter headed to prison

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-US

A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.

Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison.* He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.

But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.

The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder.

Two dozen states reportedly now allow citizens to stand their ground even outside their home. The specifics vary by state, but generally justify a person not retreating and using deadly force when a threat is perceived.

As in Florida, Texas law includes public areas, "if a person has a right to be present at a location where force is used."

But veteran attorney Andy Drumheller told Yahoo News that the Houston jury appeared to draw a line with Rodriguez leaving his home and going down the street.

"The law is not designed to create this bubble that you can carry with you everywhere you go," said Drumheller, a former prosecutor now practicing criminal defense in Houston. "The jury's verdict is a cautionary statement on the limits of this defense."

The Rodriguez case is also unique because the former firefighter was recording video during much of the ordeal.

Rodriguez, who had been calling police about the loud party, dialed 911 again as both sides shouted at each other near Danaher's dark driveway.

"Tell you what, pal, you just pulled a gun on the wrong [expletive], OK?" one of the partygoers is heard telling Rodriguez on the home video.

Seconds later the partygoer warns, "When I go in that house and I come back, don't think I won't be equal to you, baby."

Rodriguez, who told police he suspected the men were drunk, tells the 911 operator that he's scared and will defend himself, if needed.

"I don't want to do this, and it all started over them playing their music real loud … it's about to get out of hand, Sir. Please help me. "

Seconds later, he says, "I'm standing my ground here, now these people are going to try and kill me."

The video is dark when Danaher, 36, and two other men apparently lunged toward him, laughing loudly. Rodriguez fired his gun, killing Danaher and injuring two others.

In lobbying jurors for a lenient sentence, defense attorney Bill Stradley blamed the tragedy on his client's misunderstanding of Texas' "stand your ground" law. Something he predicts will happen with other Texas gun owners in the future.

"And they will find themselves, like Raul Rodriguez, charged with murder," said Stradley, according to the Houston Chronicle.

"Raul believed he had a right to be where he was. But he had two seconds to make that call, to pull that trigger."

Mr. Oz

Billua · 06-27-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smart Oz

--Update--

Texas ‘stand your ground’ shooter headed to prison

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-USle.

"Raul believed he had a right to be where he was. But he had two seconds to make that call, to pull that trigger."

Mr. Oz

BULL$^^T!

He had many minutes to decide to pull the trigger.

vegasdave901 · 06-28-2012, 05:26 AM

Bravo Texas. "Don't Mess With Texas" works both ways, don't be an a$$hat who thinks he can use deadly force when his life is really not in danger and expect the rest of Texas to stand behind him.

06-14-2012, 02:17 PM	#22
MAC702 Schadenfreudist Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Clark County, NV--------------Mohave County, AZ Posts: 3,710 Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wonder how many liberal news reporters have been trolling gun sites looking to find gun owners defending this guy, only to find out that we all think he is scum, too. __________________ Blue & Gold Firearms Training: Private Concierge Instruction Blue & Gold Services: Electrical, Welding, and Air Conditioning "It's not important how many people I've killed. What's important is how I get along with the people who are still alive" - Jimmy the Tulip

06-15-2012, 03:14 PM	#25
rat907 Another Clown With Guns™ Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Black Mesa, NV Posts: 2,744 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So this guy has a beef and calls the cops, good move. I'm sure there's some sort of noise ordinance law for loud music during certain hours, most places I lived has it. Going to the party with gun drawn, bad move. reguardess if he was that scared of the party goers or not, he should have stayed home and let the local L.E.O.s do their job. Noise complaints in the middle of the night is no exception to this and I am sure others called in too. I had a similar experience with a guys cruising the neighborhood casing homes for burglary. The scout was blaring his car stereo as they crawled street by street looking over the homes. I had to work early the next morning and didn't appreciate the early wake up @ one thirty am. I got in my car and cruised around trying to pin point them by the music with my lights off. I found them a couple blocks down, hit them with high beams and chased them out of the subdivision and down the road some cursing and shaking my fist at them. A little while later they returned in force (5 people & 3 cars). Thank god they all were chicken***s, I managed to bluff them away when they encircled me and my back was to my car. Anytime one of them would advance, I would move their way and they retreated, even the guy that got a 2X4 out the back of his truck. They left, I was unharmed (luckily) and the next night a home (not mine) was broke into. Not reading the actual linked story and going off the starter thread, this guy made one god choice followed by two bad ones in that order. He among others that don't get firearms responsibilities and the burden of choices blackens the eyes of all gun owners. __________________ Denny "When you reject the truth, all you have left is a lie" - John Haggee Keep your barrel clean, powder dry and your balls close at hand There isn't a place called Black Mesa, NV. It's a fictitious Government research facility in a 1998 PC video game released by Sierra Studios named Half-Life. In which this facility closely resembles the aura of covert experimentation that surrounds the Nevada Testsite and the hero loosely based on Bob Lazar.

06-27-2012, 09:48 PM	#26
Smart Oz That's Mr. Oz to you!! Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Las Vegas Baby!! Posts: 328 Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	--Update-- Texas ‘stand your ground’ shooter headed to prison http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-US A Texas man convicted of shooting and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday. Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison.* He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law. But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher and his friends with a handgun and demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010. The Houston case captured more attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There, George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors charged him with second-degree murder. Two dozen states reportedly now allow citizens to stand their ground even outside their home. The specifics vary by state, but generally justify a person not retreating and using deadly force when a threat is perceived. As in Florida, Texas law includes public areas, "if a person has a right to be present at a location where force is used." But veteran attorney Andy Drumheller told Yahoo News that the Houston jury appeared to draw a line with Rodriguez leaving his home and going down the street. "The law is not designed to create this bubble that you can carry with you everywhere you go," said Drumheller, a former prosecutor now practicing criminal defense in Houston. "The jury's verdict is a cautionary statement on the limits of this defense." The Rodriguez case is also unique because the former firefighter was recording video during much of the ordeal. Rodriguez, who had been calling police about the loud party, dialed 911 again as both sides shouted at each other near Danaher's dark driveway. "Tell you what, pal, you just pulled a gun on the wrong [expletive], OK?" one of the partygoers is heard telling Rodriguez on the home video. Seconds later the partygoer warns, "When I go in that house and I come back, don't think I won't be equal to you, baby." Rodriguez, who told police he suspected the men were drunk, tells the 911 operator that he's scared and will defend himself, if needed. "I don't want to do this, and it all started over them playing their music real loud … it's about to get out of hand, Sir. Please help me. " Seconds later, he says, "I'm standing my ground here, now these people are going to try and kill me." The video is dark when Danaher, 36, and two other men apparently lunged toward him, laughing loudly. Rodriguez fired his gun, killing Danaher and injuring two others. In lobbying jurors for a lenient sentence, defense attorney Bill Stradley blamed the tragedy on his client's misunderstanding of Texas' "stand your ground" law. Something he predicts will happen with other Texas gun owners in the future. "And they will find themselves, like Raul Rodriguez, charged with murder," said Stradley, according to the Houston Chronicle. "Raul believed he had a right to be where he was. But he had two seconds to make that call, to pull that trigger." Mr. Oz __________________ It is not only our right, but our responsibility to question our leaders. The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. America isn't easy, it's advanced citizenship. You've got to want it bad, because it's going to put up a fight. You must be able to acknowledge someone that is standing center stage, advocating at the top of their lungs something you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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06-14-2012, 12:32 PM	#21
glocker Obsessed Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: 89138 Posts: 602 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	He got what he deserved

06-28-2012, 05:26 AM	#28
vegasdave901 uber Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 256 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Bravo Texas. "Don't Mess With Texas" works both ways, don't be an a$$hat who thinks he can use deadly force when his life is really not in danger and expect the rest of Texas to stand behind him.