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Old 10-12-2017, 03:55 PM   #41
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The concern with letting it go before Congress as opposed to a BATFE ruling is how nebulous the proposed law could be written. Right now HR3999 just speaks to devices that can increase the rate of fire. Not knowing what a "normal" rate of fire is for a semi-auto, what will that entail? Geissle triggers? Constant training? Jerry Miculek's finger? This won't be relegated to AR's and AK's only. Handguns, shotguns, etc. would get caught up in the bill too. If it goes to a vote we get the worst of Congress (for writing a crappy law) and the BATFE for getting to decide.

I agree we should have to give up nothing but each of time there is another event like Vegas it gets harder to keep public opinion on our side. We do need to be careful about what we are willing to toss out as a sacrifice because there are a lot of gun owners who won't hesitate to toss MSR's under the bus to keep their hunting rifles when some nut bar starts "sniping" with a "high powered weapon of war" Remington 700. We need ALL gun owners in this fight. Unfortunately, not all gun owners are gun guys (or girls).
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:05 PM   #42
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:59 PM   #43
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they cant even repeal obamacare, despite years of campaigning against it.
Feature, not a flaw, the Establishment are controlled opposition, doing it for money, for votes, to insure they get re elected.
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Primaries will NOT be kind to the GOP traitors.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:12 PM   #45
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tRump is correct. they never intended to repeal it. and it is a swamp.

they were just railing against it for votes and money, knowing that BO would veto it.

now, after all the years of railing, NOTHING.

my apologies for preaching to the choir. it's just when you prove the lie, watching "them" go into "bigger lie" mode is ... not fun... interesting.

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Old 10-12-2017, 05:26 PM   #46
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well, that's the thing.

with losers like tarkanian running against heller in the primary, it's lose / lose.

the general election in 2018 and the demographics be interesting. but they usually have lower turnout.

rosen against heller or tarkanian will be a test. the scales are tilting more D, though the off year, non presidential cycles, still offer some hope.

remember, iirc, heller barely squeaked by a person that was under investigation for ethics charges to win by less then 10k votes. and he was helped by 90k or so for an independent, votes that didn't go to the competitor.

tarkanian couldn't be rosen now, or the ruben guy in the last election. heller probably wont have an independent to split dems this time.

we just have to hope the off year buys ANY R some wiggle room.

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Old 10-12-2017, 05:35 PM   #47
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tarkanian couldn't be rosen now, or the ruben guy in the last election.
Early polls indicated that Trump could never beat Shrillery. Jes sayin.
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well, that's the thing.

with losers like tarkanian running against heller in the primary, it's lose / lose.

the general election in 2018 and the demographics be interesting. but they usually have lower turnout.
Coming from the media? You know the always over sample Democrats in their surveys, right?

The mid terms favor us, as does the primary which is close.

So? What is the outcome NOW? Heller is an open border, pro mass immigrationist. That alone is a reason to boot him as he refuses to stop the flood of future democrats from changing the make up of the state, further imperiling HIS seat. If he is not willing to even protect his own interests, let alone ours, why send him back?

I mean really, what does Heller do that Democrats dont?

Did not support ending Obamacare
Did not help push for any of Trump`s Agenda
Did not push for the SHARE, or any pro gun bill in either house
Will not stop the demographic replacement of his own base, protecting his own seat in name of "muh principles" and "cheap labor".

We know where Dean Heller stands, its not with us. So really the difference is between him, every other RINO and our enemy is we know 100% of the time what the enemy will do, and what RINOs will always do, Waste election, after election, after election, until they own base is diminished to the point were their own seats are taken away from them by the left via voter importation.

So seeing how the end result is the same damn thing, we have NOTHING to lose. Not a damn thing.

Seeing how this a NON federal election year cycle, that alone favors us. Factor in Bannon declaring War on the GOP Establishment, Trump swing by for him and Laxalt election run, the winning tactics of attacking the lying media, controlling the debate, and dropping facts in productive ways.

The future is ours, all we must do is take action, take chances, and stop making the same mistakes.

Yes if we fight we COULD lose, but if we dont? We have already lost everything.




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remember, iirc, heller barely squeaked by a person that was under investigation for ethics charges to win by less then 10k votes. and he was helped by 90k or so for an independent, votes that didn't go to the competitor.
This.

Just remember the effects of immigration, open borders, and lack of Voter ID/purging rolls. If we do not end them, they end us.

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tarkanian couldn't be rosen now, or the ruben guy in the last election. heller probably wont have an independent to split dems this time.
Could appeal to the Indeps as well as the White working/middle class base the Dems are bleeding when they went full bore anti White last election.


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we just have to hope the off year buys ANY R some wiggle room.
The math shows it does, factor in attacking the media, the Help with Trump, we should be good. Also work the phone bank. Never hurts to help.



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Early polls indicated that Trump could never beat Shrillery. Jes sayin.
Clinton by 90%..LOL I remember election night, oh the tears.
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the NEVADA polls were 100% correct. Trump didn't win here, in NV. also, Jes sayin.

and tarkanian hasn't won one single race, has he? EVER? from 2004 until now.

if we do as some suggest, primary heller with tarkanian as the alternative, that doesnt seem to work as a strategy.

and heller is fighting D's for obvious reasons and R's for obvious reasons (he is a rino)

i got my response back from heller. he is dead set on supporting illegal immigrating and rewarding people that came here illegally.

unless another independent pulls votes from rosen, in addition to ethics issues, it's gonna be a hard run for any R. even one that R's like.

those 2 points, ethics and independent split, are the 2 things that let heller squeak (10k votes) in 2012. the I had 90k votes, and the articles at the time said they were people that never NEVER would have voted R. the just didnt like berkley.

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Old 10-12-2017, 06:59 PM   #50
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the NEVADA polls were 100% correct. Trump didn't win here, in NV. also, Jes sayin.
Jill Stein was not on the NV ballot (unlike WI, MI, and PA), meaning the dem vote all went for Shrillery. Meanwhile, IAP (far right) and Libertarians all had candidates in NV which peeled away votes from Trump.

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and tarkanian hasn't won one single race, has he? EVER? from 2004 until now.
Is there no precedent for a politician who overcomes a string of setbacks? Wasn't there a guy named...Abe Lincoln?

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if we do as some suggest, primary heller with tarkanian as the alternative, that doesnt seem to work as a strategy.
In the congressional race, Tark lost to Rosen by less than two points, and that's with Warren Markowitz and David Goossen peeling votes AWAY from Tark. Rosen had no such impediment. Rosen will have to defend her anti-Trump stance in 2018.

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i got my response back from heller. he is dead set on supporting illegal immigrating and rewarding people that came here illegally.
The NV GOP Base has totally turned on heller and for good reason. Only a few establishment shills support him but they are not a factor. So how will Heller win a General without support from the base???

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unless another independent pulls votes from rosen, in addition to ethics issues, it's gonna be a hard run for any R. even one that R's like.
It's a mid-term, with potentially low voter turnout, as in 2014. Rosen is still an unknown quantity, no skeletons in her closet (that we know of yet) but she is a typical leftwing footsoldier: pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-amnesty for illegals. Easy to attack her on the issues.
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