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Old 11-17-2011, 04:26 AM   #31
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If this were to pass, does that mean I can CC in California?!?
I think that's what we're all hoping to hear. I mean, who wouldn't want to carry in Kommiefornia?
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:44 AM   #32
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Default H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act

H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, passed by a majority bipartisan vote of 272 to 154!!!

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...carry-gun-bill
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:49 AM   #33
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:07 AM   #34
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Just remember that states will still have the rights to restrict WHERE in their state the permit would be valid.

I could easily see CA quickly passing a law stating that concealed carry permits are not valid in any urban area, or something to that effect, even to the further restriction of their resident permitted elitists.

IIRC, NYC is already fully exempt from a NY State CCW, so that would still apply, no doubt.

Etc, etc.

IF (a big IF) this bill passes, it will help further the cause overall, however. While I am a big proponent of states' rights, there's no denying states' rights are violated with nearly every law that Congresses regurgitates. Might as well take this one.

I want to know if our CCWs will be known to out-of-state cops who run a license plate. I would not like that one bit.
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:17 AM   #35
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This may be of interest to some of you. Check out Mr pro gun(puke)harry ried
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h822/money

By the way shelley berkley tried to screw us also
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:45 AM   #36
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No because Cali will bann ccw in their state making it illegal for anyone entering with a ccw like Illinois and D.C





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Old 11-17-2011, 05:54 AM   #37
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The wording of HR 822 says the gun must have been transported in interstate commerce. So to be safe, make sure you buy any gun you plan on carrying in another state from another state, if this passes.

The wording is retarded and unnecessary. If they want to claim authority on commerce clause grounds, should not the ability of people to move between states freely while armed for self-defense be sufficient without having to word it as it is worded? The current wording basically says, "we have authority to regulate guns because guns crossed state lines sometime in the past," which is a lame argument in itself and could be extended to have absolute regulation over everything, and thus may not withstand a judicial challenge anyway.

For instance, the federal ban on guns in school zones claims that they can ban guns near schools because the guns were crossed state lines in the past.. I don't think the Supreme court justices will see it that way if they have to rule on guns in school zones again.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:56 PM   #38
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Default House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews

I will keep a positive vibe in hopes this passes...

But I'm also a realist considering the current administration's view on
the second amendment rights of Americans, I'm not going to pop
the champagne cork just yet.
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:53 PM   #40
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Default The thing passes

http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/a...ertid=56876501


Nowhere in the Constitution does CON-GRESS have the authority for this.

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he House passed national concealed carry reciprocity legislation on
Wednesday evening by a vote of 272-154.

The bill, H.R. 822, is intended to allow persons who hold a concealed
carry permit from one state to also carry anywhere in the country, with
the exception of Illinois and Washington, D.C.

Though the bill passed by a wide margin, it was not without controversy
on the pro-gun side of the debate. In previous alerts, GOA has pointed
out several flaws in the legislation:

* It forces Vermont residents (who do not need a permit to carry) to
either obtain an out-of-state permit or to push their state to pass a
more restrictive concealed carry law than it now enjoys;

* By requiring permits for reciprocity, the bill undermines efforts at
the state level to pass constitutional carry (i.e., Vermont-style
carry);

* In restrictive "may issue" states, the bill allows for
non-residents to carry firearms in the state while most residents would
still be prohibited, and;

* The bill is yet another example of Congress distorting of the
Constitution's Commerce Clause.

Representative Justin Amash (R-MI), who voted against the bill,
addressed this last point in a statement, calling H.R. 822 "an
unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to
concealed carry licensing."

Another freshman Representative, Rob Woodall (R-GA), noted that the
right to carry a concealed firearm is already protected by the Second
Amendment.

"If the Second Amendment protects my rights to carry my concealed
weapon from state to state to state, I don't need another federal
law," Rep. Woodall said. He went on to remind his colleagues of
the original intent of the right to keep and bear arms.

"I don't believe the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of
Rights to allow me to shoot targets [or] hunt for deer and turkey. I
think the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights so that I
could defend my freedom against an overbearing federal
government."

Anti-gun Amendment Passes

One extremely troubling amendment to the bill was slipped in on a voice
vote. Sponsored by Republican David Reichert ("C" rated by
GOA), the amendment instructs the Government Accounting Office to:

"Conduct a study of the ability of State and local law enforcement
authorities to verify the validity of licenses or permits, issued by
other States, to carry a concealed firearm."

Nowhere in the Constitution is there even a hint of authority for the
federal government to "study" the exercising of a right. Even
worse, you can be sure that anti-gunners will use any excuse, including
this study, to push for some type of national carry license.

The bill now heads to the Senate, where GOA is already working with key
Senators to address ALL of the problems with the bill. GOA is also
working with Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) on legislation, H.R. 2900, that
takes a constitutional approach to concealed carry recognition.

You can click below to send you own Representative a message urging him
or her to become a cosponsor of H.R. 2900.
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